and they were constantly scheming trying to figure out, okay, how do you get around scarborough, around matt salmon, largent, you know, the usual suspects. he's just made it so much harder for boehner to go back to hc-5 and say, come on, guys, we're going to have to meet halfway, hasn't he? am i missing something here? >> you might have thought that having known the storm clouds over grover norquist and hearing the uprising and all the fury over that that obama was going to have to give them some sort of fig leaf, some sort of concession, say well, yes, we had broken a promise, it was a really difficult decision for a lot of us, but we got "x." you know, the geithner offer of yesterday didn't have any "x." and what's fascinating about this, obama seems totally, totally convinced that if we go over the fiscal cliff, this benefits him. the public will blame the republicans. okay. i suppose it's entirely possible. in fact, it's probable of that category.